(Clearwisdom.net) (Reported by Clearwisdom.net reporter Huang Kaili) Not long ago, Clearwisdom.net republished a media commentary --"The Collusion of Jiang Zemin with the Chinese Communist Party to Persecute Falun Gong," (http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2004/12/12/55526.html) which has stirred up discussions among Dafa practitioners, both inside China and overseas. Some practitioners, particularly those in Mainland China, are concerned that exposing the Chinese Communist Party (the CCP) for their persecution of Falun Gong may be taken as "engaging in politics." Some practitioners are still not clear about the relationship between exposing the evil nature of the CCP and clarifying the truth to offer salvation to people. For this reason, a Clearwisdom.net reporter interviewed several Dafa practitioners from Mainland China who shared their views regarding the above-mentioned issue.

Reporter: On the issue of exposing the fact that Jiang and certain factions collude with the CCP to persecute Falun Gong, some fellow practitioners are concerned that this might be misunderstood as "engaging in politics." How do you view this issue?

Practitioner A: I have indeed heard these concerns. As Fa-rectification period Dafa practitioners, we must be very clear about the goal of Fa-rectification cultivation. Teacher has clearly mandated that cultivators "never engage in politics." From exposing the evildoing Jiang as we have done earlier, to exposing him and the CCP using each other in the persecution of Falun Gong, what is our motive and what do we want to achieve? In fact, we only have one goal. That is to help people see through the evilness of Jiang and the CCP, and to oppose and stop the persecution of Falun Gong so that more people can be offered salvation.

Practitioner B: Yes, since we came abroad we have seen that in the past five years since the persecution started, Falun Dafa has been spreading rapidly around the world. Currently, many countries, governments, organizations, and people who uphold justice have come to a clear understanding -- thanks to Dafa practitioners' continuing efforts in clarifying the facts -- that Falun Gong practitioners are a group of people who cultivate Truth-Compassion-Forbearance. Although Falun Gong practitioners have suffered from the most evil, most brutal persecution in peace-time by the CCP regime, they have always used peaceful and rational approaches in exposing the crimes of the persecutors as well as in their appeals to put an end to the persecution. We have never had any political interests or requests.

Nevertheless, the immense compassion and endurance that Falun Dafa practitioners have demonstrated, as well as the sacrifices they have made with their blood and their lives, did not make Jiang and the CCP scoundrel regime drop their "killing knives." Instead, they take advantage of Dafa practitioners' kindness and compassion, and have time and time again escalated the degree of the persecution, using the most extreme measures. Even after Jiang left office, the persecution still goes on, with the inertia of the "mincing-machine-style" operation of the CCP.

Practitioner C: That's right. During the past five years we have learned through various channels that countless Dafa practitioners in Mainland China have suffered severe injuries and disabilities as a result of the persecution. Many have lost their lives, and their families were broken up, but still the practitioners continue to uphold the principles of "not hitting back when beaten and not swearing back when sworn at." Some of these practitioners are our relatives or friends. Their noble deeds have shaken heaven and earth, and even gods have shed tears.

As Fa-rectification period Dafa practitioners, how do we react to this scoundrel political party (the CCP)? How we view the CCP, and how we view the concerns and misunderstandings of the people deceived by the lies is critical. I believe this is a key issue for Dafa practitioners in breaking through human notions and improving as one body.

Reporter: Could you be a bit more specific about the human notions you mentioned?

Practitioner C: I think it is time that we completely let go of the notions of "being afraid of talking about the CCP" and "worrying that people might view us as engaging in politics."

I hope that Dafa practitioners who have such concerns, particularly those in Mainland China who are still unable to step forward, would think about the following issues:

1) Could you reach Consummation in the last stage of Fa-rectification cultivation if you have the attachment of fear, and view all this based on defending human notions?

2) Without completely cleaning up the lies and mind-poisoning propaganda from Jiang and the CCP, could those people who have tacitly approved the CCP's persecution of Falun Gong be redeemed, even though they did not openly oppose Dafa?

3) While we clarify the truth to offer salvation to people we are also creating the future for those people. Confronted with the most evil spirit in the universe, what do we want to leave behind for the future?

Reporter: I know that you [Practitioner C] have personally experienced some major events before and after July 20, 1999. Could you elaborate a bit more based on your personal experiences?

Practitioner C: All right. When I read the "Commentary on the Collusion of Jiang Zemin with the CCP to Persecute Falun Gong" on Clearwisdom.net, I felt the commentary was very good. The content is all true. I have personally experienced these major events before and after July 20, 1999 mentioned in the commentary, including the Guangming Daily incident in 1996, the repeated illegal investigations carried out by the Ministry of Public Security on Falun Gong and their false accusations, the "April 25" incident, and the illegal mass arrest of Falun Gong practice site assistants on July 20, 1999.

In 1996, Guangming Daily, the mouthpiece of the CCP, carried articles attacking Falun Gong. Soon afterwards, the three major departments controlled by the CCP, namely the Political and Judiciary Committee, the CCP Propaganda Department, and the Organization Department carried out illegal investigations of Falun Gong practitioners, and monitored and interfered with their activities. Because the State Council had in place the policy of the "three prohibitions" on qigong and human body studies at the time, their interference was mostly carried out furtively. For example, the News Press Office transmitted documents to publishing offices in various places between April and June, 1996, forbidding them to publish any Dafa books. At the same time, the Public Security Department and National Security Department started investigating and monitoring Falun Gong assistants in various places.

Also in 1998, after a comprehensive investigation of Falun Gong by the Guangdong Provincial Sports Committee under the request of the National Sports Commission, the committee gave official approval for a Falun Dafa Cultivation Experience Sharing Conference to be held in the Tianhe Stadium, with an expected attendance of 10,000 people. On the afternoon of the day before the conference however, the Social Security Section from the Guangzhou Public Security Department started interfering, and tried to stop the conference, even though we had completed all the required formalities. They threatened the Provincial Sports Commission and the staff at the sports stadium, and also notified us that we were "not allowed to hold the conference." By then, many practitioners from various places had already set out for the conference, and we could not possibly change the arrangements with such short notice. As it turned out, with the help from people in the Guangzhou Military Command, we managed to hold the conference in two separate halls in the military command and avoided potential chaos that would have otherwise occurred due to sudden changes at the last minute.

On April 25, 1999 practitioners in Guangzhou did not learn of the Tianjin incident and what occurred in Beijing until very late. Faced with the situation that we could not go to Beijing to appeal for Falun Gong, many practitioners wrote joint appeal letters with great sincerity to the central government, and left their contact phone numbers on these letters. On April 26, practitioners handed the letters to the provincial and municipal appeals offices, respectively, according to regulations for appeals.

We never expected that the appeals letters would be immediately handed to the Public Security and National Security departments. Almost all the practitioners who signed their names on the appeals letters received phone calls from the police, some even with threats. Some practitioners suffered harassment at work and some died later as a result of being persecuted.

During those days of "the rising storm foreboding the coming storm," many of us veteran practitioners realized clearly that the better we conduct ourselves [according to the principle of Truth-Compassion-Forbearance] the less we conformed to the nature of the CCP character ("falsehood, hatred, and struggle") and to their atheism. The fundamental differences were already evident in every aspect, but no one had taken a lead to launch the persecution.

Reporter: What you are saying is that the CCP started to formulate the persecution of Falun Gong as early as 1996, and Jiang Zemin "jumped out" and launched this mass persecution of Falun Gong on July 20, 1999, using the power of the CCP? Is that right?

Practitioner C: That's right. Since July 20, 1999 Jiang Zemin and the CCP have been playing off each other in the persecution of Falun Gong, exhausting all their tactics characterized by "evilness, deception, instigation, denouncement, robbery, ruffianism, spying, surveillance and genocide." More than one thousand practitioners have been tortured to death and tens of thousands have been injured or became disabled as a result of the persecution.

In fact, if Jiang Zemin did not have the support of the CCP, or if the CCP did not have someone like Jiang Zemin, who is so evil and so envious, to take the lead, I believe the persecution would not have taken place, or it would not have lasted this long.

Now, after Jiang has stepped down, the CCP still continues to persecute Falun Gong. Actually, the CCP has been persecuting Falun Gong all along. Wasn't Jiang Zemin the top boss of the CCP? The act of us exposing the evilness of the CCP is to show the world's people a historic fact. It is not that all of a sudden we want to do something about the CCP.

We believe that those practitioners who confuse the concepts of exposing the CCP in their persecution of Falun Gong and "engaging in politics" are conforming to common people's notions that "saying the CCP is no good is engaging in politics and is anti-government." In fact, this notion shows exactly the influence of the long-time brainwashing by the CCP. I hope these practitioners will soon become clearheaded.

Reporter: Just now you mentioned that to expose the evil nature of the CCP, to help people know the facts, and to get rid of the entrenched propaganda messages in people's minds is a requirement of further clarifying the truth, offering salvation to people, and creating the future. It is also an inevitable stage in the universal Fa-rectification. Why do you say so?

Practitioner A: Master said,

The old forces chose and arranged for the most evildoing and dirtiest evil spirits in the universe -- Jiang and the CCP -- to test Dafa practitioners and to damage Fa-rectification, for which they have committed enormous crimes that will lead to their complete destruction. When the old forces made their own arrangements to eliminate the beings below them, level by level, they also made arrangements to use Jiang and the CCP, and to clear away the CCP like garbage in the end. Thus, the destruction of the CCP was also arranged a long time ago.

Practitioner A: From another perspective, Fa-rectification Dafa disciples are clarifying the truth, offering salvation to people and creating the future, and will leave behind the most beautiful things to the new mankind and the newly-structured universe. Come to think of it, if the CCP has a new leader who redresses Falun Gong, and then it kills a herd of scapegoats the same way as it has always done in all the political movements in the past, and afterwards labels itself once again as being "always correct," "always great, glorious and correct," isn't this deceiving the world and deceiving gods? How can such bad things be left behind for the future?

Therefore I believe that Dafa practitioners exposing the evil nature of the CCP in the process of opposing the persecution is leaving for the new universe, the new Three Realms and the new humankind, the real standards for distinguishing the kind from the evil, and the good from the bad. Of course, before eliminating the CCP, we must let people see clearly the true nature of the CCP. To do so is an inevitable stage in the current progress of Fa-rectification.

As for people in the CCP who want to redress Falun Gong out of a sense of justice and because they want to do a good deed -- it is matter of positioning themselves as individuals.

Reporter: Thank you.